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You do yourself no favours by posturing: "ultra-neoliberal right-wing policy like UBI" makes no sense, regardless of the merits / demerits of UBI vs Job Guarantee. Neither does claiming that conservatives want to laud the welfare state over workers. This defies both the origin of the welfare state as an achievement of the Labour movement and the rationale for attempts by conservatives to undermine it.

Job Guarantee is predicated on the existence of productive but low skilled work that can be bought by the state at a wage sufficiently low that it doesn't attract workers with higher skill-levels from the private sector. No such work exists.

Observe the workers on any roadworks site. I feel qualified to speak about this since I have laid drains, shovelled and raked tarmac for two years, 56 hours a week for a roading contractor, in the UK 25-30 years ago, and supervised similar (but railway) work 40-45 years ago. The heavy lifting is now done by machines and skilled operators (even the most basic task like 'dig a little hole' has now been mechanised by expensive-to-hire hydrovac machines). The small amount of semi-skilled handwork is done by middle-aged men and occasionally women. Then there's a small army of youths doing nothing in particular- maybe shuffling cones around, sweeping up occasionally. Their job is simply to turn up and be counted. The few that turn up reliably and show aptitude will eventually be selected to learn actual skills.

These youths won't do actual hard work if you ask them, which as a site-manager you dare not. There are youths that will however- farm boys that will dig and fence and do all sorts of private-sector grunt-work- as client you will pay handsomely for their services- way more than any Job Guarantee could afford, but not as handsomely as LTNZ and local councils must pay for equivalent work done by a 'certified contractor'.

Anecdotally, I remember seeing in Wanganui a couple of years ago, two old pakeha greybeards stripped to the waist down a hole digging with trenching fork and shovel, with three brown youths up-top, clad head to toe in the compulsory hi-viz sun-protection gear leaning on the safety-fence watching them. The youths were H&S compliant, thus incapable of doing physical work. The greybeards were in breach of H&S regs.

The only way Job Guarantee is achievable in the way it is envisaged by MMT is to roll back H&S regs and working practices (and work-ethic tbh) to the norms of 40, 50, 60 years ago. This may prove to be difficult without gunpoint and the whip- third-reich style.

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